Magical Pro Teachings

**Scott** · 12-06-2008, 10:03 AM

hi
Heres afew card counts

Flustration count (difficulty rating: 1)
A simple but very useful count that shows a small packet of cards to be all the same.

The Biddle Count (difficulty rating: 2)
A great utility move that is used to accomplish many tricks, the move makes it possible for one card to disappear from a spread of cards and reappear in another location.

Jordan Count (difficulty rating: 2)
When you cant do an Elmsley count this move often helps out!

Hammon Count (difficulty rating: 3)
A classic move to hide a half of the faces or backs of a packet of cards.

Elmsley Count (difficulty rating: 2)
A classic move that is a "must know" for all magicians. It forms the back bone of hundreds of packet tricks.

The buckle count (difficulty rating: 1)
A must have move, very useful for many classic routines.

wildjoker · 01-23-2009, 11:53 PM

May I add the gemini count?

crazzzy · 04-03-2009, 01:12 PM

is there such thing as a gemeni count ?
I thought it was only the gemeni move, if so what does it do and how do you do it ?

**pinky** · 04-03-2009, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazzzy

is there such thing as a gemeni count ?
I thought it was only the gemeni move, if so what does it do and how do you do it ?

Magic Lineage Project or Geniiology

A handy reference (will show it to Admin for making a "references thread")
Magic Lineage Project or Geniiology
[I don't know how to make the links look different...but they are]

Hope this gets you started in the right direction

pax maximus,

pinky

7ofHearts · 04-03-2009, 03:44 PM

How about a pinky count?

crazzzy · 04-03-2009, 03:48 PM

LoL thats not realy a card count, a card count is simply a way of showing (or not) the faces/back of al the cards and determining how many there are, the false counts try to mimic that action of counting cards but you dont realy count farly
a pinky count is a way of obtaining a break under a desired amount of cards without the audiance seeing it

7ofHearts · 04-03-2009, 03:57 PM

Oh ok. Isn't the elmsley count and the biddle count the same thing though.

crazzzy · 04-03-2009, 04:10 PM

no the elmsly count (originaly called the ghost count) was created by Alex Elmsly and counts 4 cards with the 3rd card hidden from view and moved to the 4th posision, the biddle count simply counts card from the biddle grip the the other hands mechanics grip one card at a time, but combined with the biddle steal you may steal one or more cards from the mechanics grip back to the biddle gip on the bottom of the packet, I dont know who invented it

**magicrob** · 04-03-2009, 04:21 PM

think Elmer Biddle is the inventer

7ofHearts · 04-03-2009, 10:52 PM

I remember hearing a Kardyro Count.

12-06-2008, 10:03 AM	#1
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04-03-2009, 03:44 PM	#5
7ofHearts Wee Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 132 Blog Entries: 1 Chats: 300 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 Feedback Score: 0 reviews View my Threads in Some Details: »	How about a pinky count?

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04-03-2009, 03:57 PM	#7
7ofHearts Wee Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 132 Blog Entries: 1 Chats: 300 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 Feedback Score: 0 reviews View my Threads in Some Details: »	Oh ok. Isn't the elmsley count and the biddle count the same thing though.

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crazzzy Respected MPT Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 565 Chats: 65 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 Feedback Score: 0 reviews Prefered Magic & Style: Close up How Long You Been Practising The Art: 4 years Who Inspired You To Learn Magic: Darwin Ortiz, Paul wilson Whats Your Work Horse Affect: ACR Whats Your Personal Favourite Affect: all FASDIU View my Threads in Some Details: »	no the elmsly count (originaly called the ghost count) was created by Alex Elmsly and counts 4 cards with the 3rd card hidden from view and moved to the 4th posision, the biddle count simply counts card from the biddle grip the the other hands mechanics grip one card at a time, but combined with the biddle steal you may steal one or more cards from the mechanics grip back to the biddle gip on the bottom of the packet, I dont know who invented it

04-03-2009, 04:21 PM	#9
magicrob Regular Forum Poster Top Hat Magician Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: MALE in the autum of my life Posts: 227 Chats: 0 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 Feedback Score: 0 reviews Prefered Magic & Style: close up How Long You Been Practising The Art: started when 12 year old Who Inspired You To Learn Magic: david nixon Whats Your Work Horse Affect: various card effects Whats Your Personal Favourite Affect: any simon arronson effects View my Threads in Some Details: »	think Elmer Biddle is the inventer

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7ofHearts Wee Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 132 Blog Entries: 1 Chats: 300 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 Feedback Score: 0 reviews View my Threads in Some Details: »	I remember hearing a Kardyro Count.